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Card talk.

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Re: Card talk.

Post by mindfreak172 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:26 pm

and now days some girls are really into gothic and emo things like
...."leave me alone...i cut myself...write a poem...thinking alone in a cupboard..thick eyeliner...I kill you~!"

if it is a style i dont really care but acting like one is not a good idea.

ive talk to some of them "one of the reasons is that they dont like girly2 stuffs" Shocked and one of them really said "I am the real gothic girl,not like other girls,I am the original gothic,I have the gothic bible,i have superpower,i can see ghost,etc" hahaha atu labih2an tia.

its ok if girls are into fashion but dont overdo it.
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Post by mindfreak172 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:32 pm

anyway i never seen a girl really into cards ,mun di skulah durang punya BF yg karak card(i mean magic ,cardistry),and i can see in their faces they are not really interested in cards ,pretend to like cards just because bf nya karak cards. (so pity usul dorang...so selfish of their b.f)

They only enjoy playing card games i suppose.

and I never hear any girls talk "eh ko ada ghost,ko ada jerry nuggets,ko ada dan n dave, ko pandai buat this moves?,etc"
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Post by Admin on Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:29 am

hahaha..
1 thing im really not hingin about
magic stuff or flourishing become trend sja
yeah ..trend hangat skjp nganya
n trend suck!!

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Post by mindfreak172 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:29 am

iatah trend bagi dorang ... me neither.
That is why I treat magic as an art, not a trend.
pasal magic is so unique that masa dulu I dont recomend people jadi magician in Brunei, Thats why I always said to ppl who are iski kan blajar magic arah ku ;
1)knowing tricks how it is done doesnt make u a magician.Just by having alot of dvds,books and u know theorically how tricks are done doesnt mean u r a magician. Magic is an art, practice it
,like music,for eg.like playing a guitar.Do u call me a guitarist by seeing me simply plucking few of the strings?? who doesnt know how to play guitar properly?

2)magic is an art, not a toy where u can discard it anytime u want (thts why some ppl ah said "eh aku quit magic,etc" and I also dont prefer to say play magic or in malay "main magic".slalu org ckp "masa bila ko MAIN magic ani?" aku main magic jua.CORRECTION peeps~ its not "main", its "perform" or "doing" is a better word to use. [to be honest i donht like this theme "where magicians comes to play"]

in general, an art is the way to express yourself, in a difficult way or different way.
mcm drawing,martial arts,music,calligraphy and nda ketinggalan ---->magic

. huhu bukan apa ,ganya I m afraid magic ani jadi trend sja, bemusim hahaha mcm musim guli, musim shuffle,musim skate board,musim kikik,musim rubix cube,etc.

that is why I dont recomend beginers to be in magic u know.I give them choises " simple party tricks,art of magic or leave~!"
Because i have no doubt they just want the coolness only like in every trend yg ada masa ani.I have to explain them magic as an art but some of they dont really bother...
like i said its an attitude problem. Crying or Very sad
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Re: Card talk.

Post by Admin on Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:38 am

i totally agree with you mindfreak
its ok if people interest to magic trick for hobby (i do magic trick n flourish just a hobby for a long time Smile )
but if kan .."mau jua ku kn bljr trick ...trend kali ah msane d skulah "
thats not good

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Post by mindfreak172 on Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:53 pm

kalau ku leat ah, not all peeps in Brunei know about cardistry.mcm sabut cardistry arah org tua2.
"apa tu lai? cardifftrwi? nini nda begigi wah" hehehe just kidding

adalagi if tani buat arah urang ramai, some of them pernah ckp arah ku
"batah jua ko menyuci kad ani ?"

Cardistry has high chances of becoming a trend to ppl here. Imagine, makin ramai jadi flourishers pasal meliat kawan durang flourish jua. But thats not really the problem.i think.

Dulu aku pikir magic n cardistry is the samething;pro magicians use flourish just for a misdirection or a eyecandy in magic (mcm c jeff mc bride said :he combine martial arts and dances with magic,making it unique and special)
then I notice rupanya lain.Its a difrrent form of art but for me it is one of the branches of magic. Just look at TAME ACES by miika pelkonen compare to a simple-pick-a-card trick. Atleast layPpl can clearly differenciate between pro and beginners from those comparison.

cardistry n magic are best pal hahahaha have u guys seen potrait lukisan handlordz?? cardistry klaie sma magic, (beperang)
COOL~ i hope misfit ada tu.lawa banar affraid
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Post by Admin on Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:31 am

yg mana 1 tu ah ..
sorry dude jrg msuk handlordz yth
...
flourishing if jadi trend selamat dikit atleast its take time n hard work to be
a sort of good flourisher
n also research
lau magic jadi trend hmm .. not good

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Post by zahcesc on Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:48 am

haha! thanks boss. udah baca the thread. haha!

mindfreak : i always did that to people who performs/do/play cards. haha! selalu nyanta.. like those,"kau ada ani atu yang atu cemani cematu" haha! =D

for real,i aint a gothic. but i am emo sometimes. siapa jua inda pandai emotional. =P haha. emo is not a style! Emo is emotion,emotional.
those rambuts tutup sebalah mata nada wujud! haha. okay quit this.

I'm not a magician eventho i've the dvds. haha! seriously bila orang nampak i do flourish moves they'll ask me,"COOOL! how do you do that?! show me a trickkkk!" haha thats the part,trick? haha. not good at one. =)

sorry lah right not makin byk yg mau jadi cardist so we've to let them in.

kenapa rubiks cube famous ke mati yang that game since 80's sudah? cam barubaruan. HHAHAHAH! god,icant believe it,i play it too. but i quit it! =D
if these Cards and Magics ani murah-murahan.. im sure,very sure that kan semua ni main! di mall apatah lagi. Thank God its not that cheap where everyone needs extra budget. i just dont want byk magicians lee =p susah nanti. every tricks we do mesti durang tau what we did. haha! Very Happy what ever,i am talkibg bout craps bebeh! Very Happy
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Post by zahcesc on Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:52 am

haha is it true that my maid said its forbidden for muslims to play with cards? i disagreed. and what i say is,"its just a hobby and im keepin it personal" and she replied,"Alright then,its not that 'forbidden' since you're like just playing with them at home." haha! thats the part i need to share eventho i dunno the truth. hopefully thats not the correct statement yng forbid ah! god,i wont accept that. Very Happy
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Post by mindfreak172 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:38 am

there is no in the hadith or in the Quran that stated that playing cards is haram,anything can be haram if it is against the religion. What she meant was gambling.Gambling is haram. pLAYING CHESS CAN also BE HARAM at certain condition.
Magic is not agaisnt Islam unless u use IT ILLEGALLY THEN ITS HARAM.
magic is so wide meaning that ppl think magic refers only to black magic.Thats why it is haram.


anyway card n magic murah? hehehe dulu owning a bicycle rider back deck is rare. and not all ppeople have it ,if ppl have it they have to pay tax,shipping cost,etc to get their stuffs.
, I remember showing off my first bike cards and there were like "wooaaaaaaahh~ where did u get that?" thats what david blaine used~ rugedddd~"
almost being worship having a Black tiger deck hahaha

but nowdays things like that ppl say its CHEAP??
errr when can ppl appreciate ?
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Post by mindfreak172 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:54 am

anway zach if u dont understand what im saying, tell me which part u dont understand. sometimes i dont use the correct punctutations ,grammar,etc which can be very hard to understand. paham2 sja
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Post by Admin on Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:21 am

Emo??!!! lol ..
ok ...
psl hukum2 ne pyh ckit ..
lagipun lau bab playing card or magic ane complicated
its about ur purpose or niat acthually
(lau niat tuk main judi haram jua ,niat kn riak haram jua.)
pernah liat documentari psl playing card?
aku kurang ingat jua ah but p seingat ku wujudnya or adanya playing card or sapa yg buat playing card ane mseh misteri
mitos ada berckp (mitos ah) playing ane game setan dari neraka(ganas eh)
yg kononnya gugur ke dunia zaman dulu..
don't know lah ah but maybe u'all should try cari that documentari

bout magic yg bukan trick atu konfom haram n syirik ..
sapa2 pun tau


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Post by mindfreak172 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:55 pm

Gamble is haram tp not playing cards.

In my opinion anything can be made into gambling stuffs,not just cards
i can gamble using UNO cards, i can gamble negeri siapa yg manang dalam olympic, i can gamble siapa yg dapat mengalahkan undertaker arah wrestling and so on.

nya pepatah "inda pandai menari ,lantai pulang di salahkan"

there you go~ I hope thats enough to convince and enough resourses

http://www.wopc.co.uk/history/earlyrefs.html

Cards
Card games were co-created with playing cards themselves and may have been invented by the Chinese when they began shuffling paper money into various combinations. Though where and when cards originated is uncertain, China does seem the most likely place to have invented cards, and the 7th to the 10th century the earliest probable time playing cards appeared.
Playing Card History
From the House of Cards comes a select list of articles on card playing.
History of Playing Cards
Playing cards must have been invented in China, where paper was invented.
English Playing Cards
The history of English playing cards dates probably from the mid 15th century, the first documentary evidence of their existence in this country occuring in an Act of Parliament which, upon the petition of domestic card makers, prohibited the import of foreign cards.

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.pagat.com/ipcs/history.html

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.wopc.co.uk/

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blpuzzles.htm

nothing to do with the devil playing cards in hell hehehe
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Post by mindfreak172 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:56 pm

according to Islam, iblis the devil ani dulu namanya azazil (lucifer in bible);
ia dulu jinn yg paling warak banar sehingga tarafnya macam taraf malaikat,sehingga malaikat pun minta doakan arah nya dulu. Dalam hati iblis, Allah saja tau masa atu.
Allah memerintahkan azazil utk memerangi jinn di bumi yg ingkar perintah Allah.Azazil kana lantik jadi ketua perang manakala tenteranya adalah malaikat (kana bagi rank cmatu,siapa pun nda bangga kecuali org yg tidak menginginkan kebanggaan).
After perang atu, Allah cipta Nabi adam...di pendekkan cerita..Allah memerintahkan semua makhluk sujud arah adam sebagai tanda hormat sja (this is the test where azazil flunk)... ia enggan sujud meaning ia telah menentang perintah Allah kerana merasakan ia lebih baik dari adam. Maka ia di laknat Allah dan tarus namanya jadi Iblis Laknatullah.

from hero to zero, ia pun sasak,"skadar nda sujud pun rank nya kana strip begitu teruk..nabi adam nie punya pasal"~nya iblis, iatah ia pun berdoa arah Allah meminta 3 permintaan:
1)izin utk di berikan umur panjang sampai kiamat,
2)izin supaya manusia nda nampak bangsa jinn(termasuk dirinya dan kuncu2 nya),
3) izin agar ia di suruh menyesatkan kaum manusia supaya sesat n masuk neraka (sebagai dendamnya)
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Post by mindfreak172 on Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:16 pm

in general, magic is define as "sesuatu luar biasa yg berlaku di kalangan manusia.

first of all i need to tell u these:
there is no other power except power of God because Allah is the greatest.
this are the speciality that God lends human(according to rank):
1)mukjizat:berlaku di kalangan para nabi dan rasul2
2)keramat:berlaku di kalangan para wali allah yg warak dan zuhud
3)maunah:berlaku di kalangan org biasa (pertolongan Allah)
tujuannya adalah untuk mematahkan pendirian org kafir dan membukti kan bahawa Allah itu paling berkuasa. ia tidak dapat di pelajari (not all ppl can have it)

4)as sahar (sihir): berlaku di kalangan org fasik.
tujuan utk menyakiti dan menzalimi org lain,menyesatkan dan sebagainya
ia adalah haram tp boleh di pelajari (semua org posible dapat buat)

Hadith Nabi sahih riwayat Ahmad,At-tabrani n Baihaqi
: "jikalau kamu meliat bahawa Allah memberi nikmatnya kepada hambanya yg terus menerus dalam kemaksiatan ketahuilah bahawa org itu telah disesatkan sedikit demi sedikt(istidraj)"
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Post by fiez on Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:23 am

mindfreak172 wrote:
2)magic is an art, not a toy where u can discard it anytime u want (thts why some ppl ah said "eh aku quit magic,etc" and I also dont prefer to say play magic or in malay "main magic".slalu org ckp "masa bila ko MAIN magic ani?" aku main magic jua.CORRECTION peeps~ its not "main", its "perform" or "doing" is a better word to use. [to be honest i donht like this theme "where magicians comes to play"]


that quote sounds familiar..lol...it actually annoys me for certain people to show high enthusiasm at the beginning and after several months or less than that,they lose their interest oredi...and the one who goes emotional is me...hahah,main mijik ani misti ada endurance yo....ada determination. baru digalar magician Smile
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Post by fiez on Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:27 am

oh and i cant stand people saying, "i Quit magic" which means all the time they've been doing it for the sake of attention.thats not what magicians pursue in magic No its the passion and the expression of the spectator and the way we express ourselves.
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Post by fiez on Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:30 am

in the other hand,cardistry consumes way lot more determination. A friend of mine has an infection in his hand,yet he never gave up on cardistry, till now....jangantah disabut namanya eh,kambang ya karang...ah kyo ah?
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Post by mindfreak172 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:17 am

I forgot a name of a magician which amaze me.
born with no hands and no feet~! but still can do magic.I cant remember who tp he was short(pasal nada kaki), and he did the cups and balls so perfectly Shocked .kesian usulnya tp kira hebat jua tu walaupun cacat tp handal mijik...atu kuat banar tu enudrance n determintationnya.
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Post by zahcesc on Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:04 am

haha... base on org punya pengertiannya jua lah. kadang2 ada org yg inda tau apa2 tarus2 ckppp,"eh utk apa tu card ahh!? not good eh!". sometimes ada jau yg ckp... "tuu anak ah,macam urang kapir jua eh main-main kad!" like... if anyone say these.. its very touching cause they salah faham about our art!
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Post by zahcesc on Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:05 am

gamble atu inda,i told her dah.. she said,kesanNya bahh. kan kalau nampak mcm jadi KEsan. oh whatever~
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Post by zahcesc on Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:06 am

and i dont care about things like that,because i believe in myself that i didnt do anything wrong or anything that breaks the islamic rule.
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Post by mindfreak172 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:34 pm

zahcesc wrote:gamble atu inda,i told her dah.. she said,kesanNya bahh. kan kalau nampak mcm jadi KEsan. oh whatever~

kesannya? apa kesannya specifically? melalaikan? errr~ semua jua catu.
cards are just 52 printed papers..thats all...the rest ikut niat masing2.
"kalau di pakai jahat, jadi nya jahat, kalau di pakai baik ,jadi nya baik" nya puteri buluh kasar~ eh? buluh betong kah buluh perindu? ntah hehehe ceta laksmana DO RE MI
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Post by mindfreak172 on Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:42 pm

zahcesc wrote:haha... base on org punya pengertiannya jua lah. kadang2 ada org yg inda tau apa2 tarus2 ckppp,"eh utk apa tu card ahh!? not good eh!". sometimes ada jau yg ckp... "tuu anak ah,macam urang kapir jua eh main-main kad!" like... if anyone say these.. its very touching cause they salah faham about our art!

not salah faham, kurang berpengetahuan tentang cards ani.
they always seen ppl in the movies playing cards (org koboi, org mauk2,etc)
atau org2 Brunei main judi kedapatan kna busted ,slalu ada card involve.

so dlm pikiran dorang
"card ani utk judi"
"card ani permainan syaitan"
"card ani nda mendatangkan faedah"

masa ku melawat arah japatan polis (c kasom pulis rupanya baru ku tau~) ,
I asked them "kalau aku ada bnyak kad di rumah ,kita tangkap aku kah?"
durang ckp "owning cards is ok wah, kalau bejudi atau melanggar undang2 baru kami raid" What a Face
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